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Munson

Postby PJMiller » Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:38 pm

This is a work in progress. It isn't finished and there are virtually no open type features on anything except the roman font except for what was copied from an earlier version of roman and I am still experimenting with Chaining Contexts and what can be done with them.

There is no kerning and all the bearings are exactly as they come out of optical metrics so some of them need tweaking.

However this is a preview of what it will look like, the outlines are finished.

Munson is a Clarendon style font.

Any comments or critique is welcome.

Files removed, new files added in a later post.
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Re: Munson

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:09 pm

I had a look at the Regular type style, and noticed a few issues:
  1. Run the Font Validation wizard to find intersecting contours
  2. Some composites are different advance width, e.g. ú ü etc.
  3. The Fraction feature does not work properly, e.g. 1/4 works, but 0/00, 1/2, 1/3, etc., do not. Take a look at the frac feature in one of my fonts and see if that would work better for your font.
  4. The glyph outlines are excellent, but the long descending arms on the T will cause issues with kerning of pairs like Ta, Te, To, Tu, Tw, Ty. Perhaps it would work better if they were shorter to allow lowercase glyphs to kern more tightly?
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Re: Munson

Postby PJMiller » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:23 pm

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:I had a look at the Regular type style, and noticed a few issues:
  1. Run the Font Validation wizard to find intersecting contours
  2. Some composites are different advance width, e.g. ú ü etc.
  3. The Fraction feature does not work properly, e.g. 1/4 works, but 0/00, 1/2, 1/3, etc., do not. Take a look at the frac feature in one of my fonts and see if that would work better for your font.
  4. The glyph outlines are excellent, but the long descending arms on the T will cause issues with kerning of pairs like Ta, Te, To, Tu, Tw, Ty. Perhaps it would work better if they were shorter to allow lowercase glyphs to kern more tightly?
Tw.png



This is a font that was hastily put together from one of my early attempts with Font Forge. When I look back on my work from 3½ years ago it looks abysmal. :roll: It was supposed to be a slab serif something like Rockwell but it didn't turn out as good and was abandoned with barely enough glyphs finished to call it a font.

I needed a font for a beta test of some font related software because I didn't want to comit my prime development font ('Tobias' the son of 'Kelvinch') to it because at the end of the beta test I would then have to upgrade to the new software whether I wanted to or not.

At the same time I needed a Clarendon style of font, something to evoke the spirit of Victorian printing and there wasn't a good free Clarendon so I revived the old Rockwell and started turning it into a Clarendon.

That graphic design job has passed but may well arise again in the future. If it does I will be ready.

1. The validation picks up all the overlapping composite members, as far as I know this is not and error.

2. I will look at the composites to even out their bearings where appropriate, thanks for the heads up. The bearings at the moment are what came out of Optical Metrics and so may need a little tweaking. Optical Metrics is a starting point not an end point.

3. This is a work in progress and the Open Type features are a mess, they aren't finished yet. Many are just placeholders for what will come and the open type features in the bold, italic and bold-italic are just cut and pasted from an earlier version of the Roman, I think something got lost in the transfer. Many features don't work yet, I will address this issue.

4. I don't know what to do about the long descending arms of the 'T'. On the one hand, it was designed like this because I like the way it looks, it fits in well with the way a Clarendon should look and harmonises well with the 'E' and the 'F'. On the other hand it does interfere with the kerning and if left will create extra white holes in the text. I will leave it as it is for now and if the result looks ugly to my eyes then I will change it.

P.S. I took three weeks off work at the end of march for the test and got an awful lot of work done on 'Munson' in that time, the screen shots were all carefully contrived so as not to show all the gaps and empty glyphs (placeholders). The outlines are all finished now but there is still an awful lot to do.
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Re: Munson

Postby William » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:30 am

I have been looking at the Roman and the Italic.

I remember Monotype Modern Roman from metal type. Munson Roman has the upward hook lower right on both a lowercase a and on an uppercase R and that looks good.

Modern Roman and Modern Italic were often used for typesetting of mathematical text books, due to the clarity of the typefaces.

The lowercase x of Modern Italic is the well-known way that people write x in algebra. Munson Italic has that look. Very good.

I noticed the glyph for U+2055 FLOWER PUNCTUATION MARK.

I found the Unicode code chart.

http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2000.pdf

I like your very English glyph design for that glyph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudor_rose

I like your design of the interrobang. I have never seen an interrobang glyph like that before. A good design solution.

I notice that the font supports Esperanto. Excellent.

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Re: Munson

Postby PJMiller » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:33 pm

William wrote:The lowercase x of Modern Italic is the well-known way that people write x in algebra. Munson Italic has that look. Very good.


Turn of the century Maths Textbook equation italic is exactly the look I was going for.

William wrote:I noticed the glyph for U+2055 FLOWER PUNCTUATION MARK.

I found the Unicode code chart.

http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2000.pdf

I like your very English glyph design for that glyph.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudor_rose


That isn't a Tudor Rose, it's the Whie Rose of Yorkshire ! :x

and it was in Kelvinch albeit at a different codepoint, and it will be in the next font at the same code point as in Munson.

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Re: Munson

Postby PJMiller » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:36 pm

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:The glyph outlines are excellent, but the long descending arms on the T will cause issues with kerning of pairs like Ta, Te, To, Tu, Tw, Ty. Perhaps it would work better if they were shorter to allow lowercase glyphs to kern more tightly?


On the other hand why don't I just make them a lot longer so no kerning is possible, end of problem. :D

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Re: Munson

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:36 pm

PJMiller wrote:On the other hand why don't I just make them a lot longer so no kerning is possible, end of problem. :D

The possibilities are endless; the art is in making the right choices.

Clarendon Light BT does make the arms longer, but still kerns Tw. This does not work well IMO.
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Re: Munson

Postby PJMiller » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:20 am

William wrote:The lowercase x of Modern Italic is the well-known way that people write x in algebra. Munson Italic has that look. Very good.


The lower case italics were ripped out of Bhikkhu Pesala's Acariya font and then horribly mutilated to make them look the way I wanted them to look, so I cheated.

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Re: Munson

Postby PJMiller » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:52 am

William wrote:I notice that the font supports Esperanto. Excellent.

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Does anyone still use Esperanto for actual communication rather than just as a novelty ?

Esperanto was supposed to be a pan european language so that all europeans could speak with each other in a common language but it was not widely adopted or taught. People preferred their own native tounges and so it never really caught on and I thought it had largely fallen into obscurity.

Maybe I am wrong and there are a large cohort of people out there using it on a daily basis rather than speaking to each other in their own native tounge.

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Re: Munson

Postby PJMiller » Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:51 pm

This is the latest version of Munson.

Virtually all done apart from adjusting the spacing and kerning (which is always the time consuming bit).

The Kerning and spacing in these files are straight out of AutoKern and Optical Metrics.

Any comments or constructive criticism are welcome.
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