WOFF 2.0 support
-
- Moderator
- Posts: 11202
- Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2002 12:41 am
- Location: Bilthoven, The Netherlands
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
We intend to add support for WOFF File Format 2.0 soon.
How do you think we should include such support in the export dialogs?
On side note, we will drop support for including XML Metadata to WOFF. Let us know if you think it is important to keep that option.
How do you think we should include such support in the export dialogs?
On side note, we will drop support for including XML Metadata to WOFF. Let us know if you think it is important to keep that option.
-
- Top Typographer
- Posts: 9888
- Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:28 am
- Location: Seven Kings, London UK
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
If you implement support for WOFF 2.0, do you still need support for WOFF 1.0?
Just keep it in the same place in the Export Settings, and on the File menu.
Just keep it in the same place in the Export Settings, and on the File menu.
-
- Moderator
- Posts: 11202
- Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2002 12:41 am
- Location: Bilthoven, The Netherlands
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
Right now WOFF 2 covers 81% of all people who browse the web.
WOFF 1 covers over 95%, while the remaining 5% use outdated web browsers (more than 6 years old) which also fail to display most web sites due to the lack of support for modern layout etc. So we think you should provide both WOFF 1 and WOFF 2.
We could add WOFF2 to the Export Font and Export Font As menu options.
Export All could include 3 font files:
TrueType/OpenType
WOFF1
WOFF2
I prefer to keep two tabs on the Font Export Settings dialog.
But is this all obvious when you want to export a single WOFF2 font file?
WOFF 1 covers over 95%, while the remaining 5% use outdated web browsers (more than 6 years old) which also fail to display most web sites due to the lack of support for modern layout etc. So we think you should provide both WOFF 1 and WOFF 2.
We could add WOFF2 to the Export Font and Export Font As menu options.
Export All could include 3 font files:
TrueType/OpenType
WOFF1
WOFF2
I prefer to keep two tabs on the Font Export Settings dialog.
But is this all obvious when you want to export a single WOFF2 font file?
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
Is there a serious downside to retaining support for this?Erwin Denissen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:30 pm we will drop support for including XML Metadata to WOFF
-
- Top Typographer
- Posts: 9888
- Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:28 am
- Location: Seven Kings, London UK
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
Why would anyone want a WOFF version of single-stroke fonts with open contours?
The drop list could be used instead for selecting the WOFF version.
The drop list could be used instead for selecting the WOFF version.
- None would not export any WOFF versions, only TrueType/OpenType with Export All
- Version 1 would export WOFF version 1
- Version 2 would export WOFF version 2
- Version 1 and 2 would export WOFF version 1 and version 2
-
- Moderator
- Posts: 11202
- Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2002 12:41 am
- Location: Bilthoven, The Netherlands
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
I wonder if it is actually used. And if it is used, do you think it is useful? I've looked into a dozen woff files not made with FontCreator, and they didn't contain such information.Alfred wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:54 pmIs there a serious downside to retaining support for this?Erwin Denissen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:30 pm we will drop support for including XML Metadata to WOFF
-
- Moderator
- Posts: 11202
- Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2002 12:41 am
- Location: Bilthoven, The Netherlands
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
I like this ideaBhikkhu Pesala wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:04 pm Why would anyone want a WOFF version of single-stroke fonts with open contours?
The drop list could be used instead for selecting the WOFF version.
Export Options.png
- None would not export any WOFF versions, only TrueType/OpenType with Export All
- Version 1 would export WOFF version 1
- Version 2 would export WOFF version 2
- Version 1 and 2 would export WOFF version 1 and version 2
-
- Top Typographer
- Posts: 9888
- Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:28 am
- Location: Seven Kings, London UK
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
You could also move the drop list up to the top of the dialogue.
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
Like this to. Until now when uploading webpages I have always included; ttf, eot, svg, woff, woff2. I'm considering to stop using the eot and svg. The truetype (ttf) I use as placeholder in designmode, so this I must keep.Erwin Denissen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:21 pmI like this ideaBhikkhu Pesala wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:04 pm Why would anyone want a WOFF version of single-stroke fonts with open contours?
The drop list could be used instead for selecting the WOFF version.
Export Options.png
- None would not export any WOFF versions, only TrueType/OpenType with Export All
- Version 1 would export WOFF version 1
- Version 2 would export WOFF version 2
- Version 1 and 2 would export WOFF version 1 and version 2
-
- Moderator
- Posts: 11202
- Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2002 12:41 am
- Location: Bilthoven, The Netherlands
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
I'm also thinking about some more improvements with WOFF font files.Erwin Denissen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:20 pmI wonder if it is actually used. And if it is used, do you think it is useful? I've looked into a dozen woff files not made with FontCreator, and they didn't contain such information.Alfred wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:54 pmIs there a serious downside to retaining support for this?Erwin Denissen wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:30 pm we will drop support for including XML Metadata to WOFF
E.g. only provide one platform for mapping data and naming fields, and always exclude glyph names and also no longer include the legacy kern table. And as Bhikkhu Pesala suggested also leave out the Open Contours option.
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
Those sound like helpful simplifications, although you might want to consider retaining an option to include the legacy kern table for anyone who needs it.Erwin Denissen wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:47 pm I'm also thinking about some more improvements with WOFF font files.
E.g. only provide one platform for mapping data and naming fields, and always exclude glyph names and also no longer include the legacy kern table. And as Bhikkhu Pesala suggested also leave out the Open Contours option.
-
- Top Typographer
- Posts: 9888
- Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:28 am
- Location: Seven Kings, London UK
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
I have a feeling that the kern table is useless in WOFF fonts, but clearly it is still needed in OpenType/TrueType fonts to support legacy applications that do not support GPOS kerning.
-
- Moderator
- Posts: 11202
- Joined: Fri Oct 04, 2002 12:41 am
- Location: Bilthoven, The Netherlands
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
If you want to test the upcoming woff2 support (and have a valid license), do give it a try:
FontCreator 11.5.0.2424 (64 bit edition)
FontCreator 11.5.0.2424 (64 bit edition)
-
- Top Typographer
- Posts: 9888
- Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:28 am
- Location: Seven Kings, London UK
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
Export went much as expected. The Woff 2 version has a different file extension. The better compression is significant. Both WOFF fonts opened OK in FontCreator.
Presumably, we should not save project files if we want to open them in FontCreator 11.5 final?
Presumably, we should not save project files if we want to open them in FontCreator 11.5 final?
-
- Top Typographer
- Posts: 9888
- Joined: Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:28 am
- Location: Seven Kings, London UK
- Contact:
Re: WOFF 2.0 support
I see that the option to not export WOFF was not included. Did that turn out to be impractical?