How do I make an enormous font Word will recognize?

HELP! :astonished:

Does anyone know how to make a font with like 3000-4000 characters? Characters that the Word Insert Symbol function will recognize, display in the Insert Window, and properly insert into a document?

I thought I had this all figured out. I had added extra language sets like Hangul Jamo, that showed up in my Word and seemed to work fine.

But I am using windows XP and Word 2000 (because I like them and don’t feel Microsoft should be able to force me to have to re-learn how to use a program).

But it turns out that good ol’ Microsuck changed everything in later versions, and there are now problems in Word 2007. Symbols that showed up for me do not show up in Word 2007. Even worse, on different computers it’s acting differently. On my other PC (Windows 8, Word 2007) I can see some symbols in the Insert Window, but when I insert them I get blank squares in Times New Roman. No matter what I do. I cannot get these symbols to “be” in my new font (!).

Other people tell me some of their characters show up in Japanese, Hebrew or Arabic, while they work fine for me in Word 2000 or Word 2007.
Perhaps there is some Language Compatibility setting in Word that needs to be turned on. Or off.

Maybe I should start all over.

SO:
Once I make a font, how do I add [lots of] usable characters to it, so that I can put my own characters into these places and have a font with 30-00 chgaracters that works in Word?

(I need step-by-step solutions here people, not vague answers like “just insert them” or “add them to the Private Area”)

Thanks in advance, and my apologies for the frustration that is probably showing through…

– Paul

  • SIGH *

As I suspected, it isn’t REALLY possible, is it?

That line about 65,000 possible characters in a font is a big, fat LIE.

I can’t get one to work with more than about 2500, and even THESE still don’t work consistantly in Word 2007 on different computers.

How much does FontLab cost?

No need to react like a seven year old kid who fails to tie his shoes.

We are always willing to help people, but we try a little harder if people stay nice.

Maybe others want to respond now, otherwise I’ll try to help after the weekend.

I wanted to respond, but could not think of anything that would help other than Read the Free Manual.

I tried in his previous thread, where he says that he solved the problem and created a font with 3,000 characters, but only got SHOUTED at.

Anyone who want to try to help should read that thread first.

@Fontmeester: if you want help, tell people which version you’re using and attach your font.

  1. I already apologized for my curtness. I will apologize again: I apologize for my curtness, rudeness, whatever you want to call it.
    Welcome to my world of frustration.

  2. Still no solutions to my problem from this forum. Perhaps I am reacting like a 7 year old who can’t tie his shoes. Yet my shoes remain untied while you continue to chide me instead of just providing the answer (tying my shoes).

  3. I have looked through the FontCreator documentation and it is not helping.

  4. I am not going to attach my font and give it away to the world for free, sorry. Why would i do that? How would that help anyway?

  5. The previously thought-to-be-a-solution turned out not to work in word 2007, only in word 2000.
    No one works in word 2000 anymore besides me, so the font is still useless.

  6. I added the following characters to my font:

Basic multilingual plane - private use area ($E000-$F8ff)
Uni E000 ($E000)
Uni E001 ($E001)

Supplementary private use area - a plane
Uf0020 ($F0000)
Uf0021 ($F0001)

Supplementary private use area - b plane
U100000 ($100000)
U100001 ($100001)

of these six, not a one “shows up” in either Word 2000 or Word 2007.

  1. I apologize yet again for being so angry, but I am pulling my hair out trying to figure out how to add characters.

This should be simple and easy. While you people a keep telling me how lame I am for being upset, you still do not help me. Fine, I understand that I am not coming across as being help-worthy.
Show me how much better you are than me and give me an answer.

I am sorry. But you people are coming across as condescending know-it-alls who never actually tell me what it is you know.

Other people (out in the world) have told me that the real problem here is that Microsoft does not make its software properly conform to Unicode standards.

Has anyone actually ever made a font with (say) 4000 characters that actually functions in Word?

8. I apologize yet again for being so angry.

:smiley:

I don’t have the answer right now as all you’ve described seems just fine.

We can further look into this on Monday. It would really help if you provide us at least as sample font along with a Word document.

If you have other fonts on your computer that do have lots of charachter that can be used in Word, then you can do it too. So please be patient.

Your apologies are empty if accompanied by further shouting and insults. I have edited your post for you to make it a little easier to read.

If others had the font, they could test it and diagnose the fault much more quickly. Since you automatically own the copyright to your own work, posting it online is not “giving it away” free.

You could send it by email to Erwin. Zip a Word document with the font, and send it to him.

Been a while since I used Word 2007 and cannot remember if it would show up all characters in a font, nor if the Unicode typing shortcut works or not. Arial Unicode MS has 38,917 characters. All of them, it appears, are available in Word 2010.

Fontlab? About $650. Knock yourself out. You will experience a greater degree of difficulty.
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/fontlab-studio/

From the other thread:

What good is making 65,000 characters if Word won’t recognize 99% of them?

Ask Microsoft that one…but at least more modern versions of Word does recognize them. Perhaps the client should upgrade if this is an actual lack in Word 2007.

After filling up the lower range with Latin, Latin Extended, Cryllic, Math, etc., areas for any glyphs used in typing in the language(s) the user normally writes with, I would likely just add the entire private use area and put the remainder of your characters there. Then Word’s Insert Symbol dialog can be kept open and the private use area displayed for choosing the glyphs. Alfred in the other thread indicated (iirc) what to do to add the PUA.

Mike

The most fruitful way to help is to actually see the font along with a Word document. Without that we continue to guess what might be the cause of your problems.

Paul, let me set this straight once and for all. We advertise with 65,535 as the maximum number of glyphs per font, as that is a technical limitation for TrueType and OpenType fonts. However you can include more than 65,535 characters in a font, but then several will use the same glyph outline.

The Unicode standard has placeholders for up to 1,112,064 code points. The current Unicode version (6.3) contains 110,187 characters and an additional of 137,468 private-use characters.

Word 2000 doesn’t support characters from the supplementary planes, but should support $E000-$F8ff.


I’ve just created a font from scratch, including over 91,000 characters. When I use it with Insert Symbol as available in Word 2007, it shows most of them, however the Insert Symbol feature doesn’t show characters from plane 15 or 16. It does show characters from the private use area (plane 0) as well as characters from plane 2. Fortunately you can copy and paste the characters or use this input method:
Type the hexadecimal codepoint and then press Alt+X (For example 20AC, Alt+X to get the Euro sign, or F0101, Alt+X to get display a character from the supplementary private use area plane B)

If you have less than 6400 characters, do use the private use area.

Paul, I would really like to know if our efforts to help you did pay off.

So can you please let us know your results?

Numerous people have spent time and effort into helping you. We are curious, and other people might have similar issues with fonts, or with our software, and will learn more from this forum if you let us know your results.

So can you spent a minute or two to provide us some feedback?