Strikeout and Underline Position
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Strikeout and Underline Position
I'm puzzled by these parameters on the Settings General and Post tabs.
For one font (technical) it seems to work as expected, but for the other (Elemntary) it does not.
This is how I calculated underline position and width for each font:
I selected the underline glyph (95) and from the Transform toolbar noted the vertical offset to the top of the glyph which was -129 for Elementary. Then I noted the vertical height of the glyph, also 129 funits for Elementary. I entered these on the Post tab for Underline Position and Thickness.
To calculate the strikeout position and size, I use the horizontal stroke of the lowercase e as my measuring point. The vertical offset to the top of the stroke of the e was 609 funits, and the thickness of the stroke was 135 funits. This is what I entered for the strikeout position and thickness.
Following the same procedure for Technical seemed to work, i.e. it moved the strikeout and underlining to the correct positions. However, it did not work for Elementary.
The central underlining stroke ._. uses the underline glyph, the other underlining and strikeout use text formatting in Jarte - a Wordpad clone.
Was my methodology correct?
For one font (technical) it seems to work as expected, but for the other (Elemntary) it does not.
This is how I calculated underline position and width for each font:
I selected the underline glyph (95) and from the Transform toolbar noted the vertical offset to the top of the glyph which was -129 for Elementary. Then I noted the vertical height of the glyph, also 129 funits for Elementary. I entered these on the Post tab for Underline Position and Thickness.
To calculate the strikeout position and size, I use the horizontal stroke of the lowercase e as my measuring point. The vertical offset to the top of the stroke of the e was 609 funits, and the thickness of the stroke was 135 funits. This is what I entered for the strikeout position and thickness.
Following the same procedure for Technical seemed to work, i.e. it moved the strikeout and underlining to the correct positions. However, it did not work for Elementary.
The central underlining stroke ._. uses the underline glyph, the other underlining and strikeout use text formatting in Jarte - a Wordpad clone.
Was my methodology correct?
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No need to contact them, as Jarte clearly does support these values. Changing the underline position for technical and elementary both to zero had no effect on the elementary font, but did move the position for technical.
What could be the reason that the Elementary font behaves differently?
Could it perhaps be something to do with hinting or other tables? Elementary has been rehinted for me in Fontlab by a friend. Technical has not yet been rehinted.
What could be the reason that the Elementary font behaves differently?
Could it perhaps be something to do with hinting or other tables? Elementary has been rehinted for me in Fontlab by a friend. Technical has not yet been rehinted.
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That was not it. I already tried reloading the wordprocessor, and reinstalling the fonts, rebooting, etc. I have used the same font names and the same font file names as before - just using auto-rename and reinstalling the fonts seemed to fix it without rebooting.
Edited: No longer relevant.
Edited: No longer relevant.
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First I named it "Elemental", tested it and it worked. Then I renamed it as Elementary, and it still worked. You can try with my faulty font if you like.
Hmm. Now working alright without renaming. Maybe just a question of uninstalling and reinstalling properly. Perhaps I was editing the Rehinted font, but reinstalling the unhinted font.
Hmm. Now working alright without renaming. Maybe just a question of uninstalling and reinstalling properly. Perhaps I was editing the Rehinted font, but reinstalling the unhinted font.
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Re: Strikeout and Underline Position
Hi,
Could you please confirm that these values doesn't work in Adobe programs or not? I have tested and apparently Adobe does in its own way.
Could you please confirm that these values doesn't work in Adobe programs or not? I have tested and apparently Adobe does in its own way.
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Re: Strikeout and Underline Position
Apparently, you have found your own answer. The InDesign or PhotoShop forums would be the place to get a definitive statement. Perhaps they have a way to change the underlining size and position. It is decades since I used Adobe Pagemaker.