AutoMetrics & AutoKern Greek & Extended Greek characters ONLY?

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AutoMetrics & AutoKern Greek & Extended Greek characters ONLY?

Post by Psymon » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:47 pm

Phew! I just added in pretty nearly the complete Greek and Extended Greek character sets to my regular font -- 121 of 135 glyphs of the former (only missing the 14 Coptic characters in that set), and all 233 of the latter. :shock:

I haven't got a freakin' clue about what "looks good" for this language, though -- it's all Greek to me, as the saying goes! :lol:

Right now I just have the bearings set the same on all my glyphs in those two sets -- is it possible to run autometrics, and then autokern, on ONLY those two character sets, without totally messing up all my wonderful, laborious work everywhere else in the font? They don't need to kern with the Latin sets or anything else, they only need to kern within themselves, i.e. the standard Greek/Coptic AND the Extended Greek all kerning together.

I seem to recall some discussion that it's possible... but I'm terrified to do anything. If my memory is mistaken, though, and it's not possible, well, I guess I'll just leave everything veritably monospaced, as it is now, I guess. :roll:

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Re: AutoMetrics & AutoKern Greek & Extended Greek characters ONLY?

Post by Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:41 pm

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Re: AutoMetrics & AutoKern Greek & Extended Greek characters ONLY?

Post by Psymon » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:58 pm

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:41 pm
This earlier thread may help.
Oh, that was interesting to read -- although what it was that you were trying to do, Bhikkhu, I'm not too sure? Were you trying to kern all your Greek along with everything else, too (Latin, etc.) but it wasn't working? Was that the issue there?

If I understood that correctly, that was exactly what I was trying to avoid -- screwing up the "everything else" in the process of running autokern, when all I want to kern is only my Greek (everything else I've done manually, not "auto," of course).

I was thinking that maybe what I could do, with my own situation, is just skip the kerning, but at least try to get the metrics nicer/better (than monospaced). To do that, I could just save my font under another name -- just temporarily -- then run autometrics on that temp font, and then copy/paste just those two Greek character sets back into my original working file.

That would do the trick, wouldn't it, at least as far as the metrics go? I wouldn't have any kerning done, but at least that would be better than all the bearings being totally the same (and monospaced, basically).

Does that sound like a reasonable workaround -- a bit of consolation, at least?

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Re: AutoMetrics & AutoKern Greek & Extended Greek characters ONLY?

Post by Psymon » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm

Well, that's weird. My own suggestion in my last reply here seemed to make perfect sense to me, so I just tried it -- but autometrics seems to have no effect at all on either of the Greek character sets, they're still all monospaced (with the same bearings throughout, that I'd given them before). :roll:

Why doesn't autometrics work on the Greek stuff? Erwin? :?

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Re: AutoMetrics & AutoKern Greek & Extended Greek characters ONLY?

Post by Erwin Denissen » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:25 pm

Psymon wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm
Well, that's weird. My own suggestion in my last reply here seemed to make perfect sense to me, so I just tried it -- but autometrics seems to have no effect at all on either of the Greek character sets, they're still all monospaced (with the same bearings throughout, that I'd given them before). :roll:

Why doesn't autometrics work on the Greek stuff? Erwin? :?
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Re: AutoMetrics & AutoKern Greek & Extended Greek characters ONLY?

Post by Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:35 pm

They didn't have FontCreator or Autometrics in the time of the Greeks.

A workaround is to paste the Greek glyphs to the Latin code-points in a new font, run autometrics there, then copy/paste the glyphs with their new metrics using paste special.

No warranty comes with this workaround. Try running Autometrics with different glyph spacing values until the preview text looks OK to you.
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Re: AutoMetrics & AutoKern Greek & Extended Greek characters ONLY?

Post by Psymon » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:31 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:35 pm
They didn't have FontCreator or Autometrics in the time of the Greeks.
Ha ha -- well, they didn't have it in the Renaissance either (from when the original metal types that my fonts are based on were made)! Maybe I should just delete all my kerning, etc. and make them really authentic? :D
A workaround is to paste the Greek glyphs to the Latin code-points in a new font, run autometrics there, then copy/paste the glyphs with their new metrics using paste special.
Hmm... that sounds like an interesting solution -- although I have the entire extended Greek character set, too (233 characters, on top of the basic Greek, if I remember correctly) so I'm not sure where I would paste them to.

Well, I think I'll just leave it as it is for now -- I'm not sure how often that Greek character set will get used (for my own purposes, anyway) and so perhaps it's not that big a deal. That's something I could backburner for now, anyway, just to finally get this all done and out of the way, but maybe I can go back to this and try that out down the road.

Or maybe in the meantime FC will also get the ability to autokern (etc.) Greek! That would be even lovelier. ;)

In the meantime, though, I found this weird ebook bug a bit more disconcerting -- I suspect that the issue isn't with my font, though, but rather with the ebook software? I don't know. Wish there was something I could do about that one, though.

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