Doesn't seem intuitive to me

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kembreg
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Doesn't seem intuitive to me

Post by kembreg » Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:18 pm

Hi.
What I want to do is very very simple.

In Czech, there is a z with an upside circumflex on top.
This upside circumflex exists in ASCII with the letter "s".

So I load the existing ttf, double click on the "s" with the accent and I can highlight the upside circumflex.

To me, it would be intuitive to be able to click "copy" then goto to the letter "z" and click "paste" and have this upside circumflex now be on top of the "z". (basically as simple as a powerpoint slide).

However, this does not seem to be possible.
How come?

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Post by Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:32 pm

If I recall correctly one could do something like that in Fontographer, but there is an easier way in Font Creator called Complete Composites.

The reason it doesn't work is because the š caron from which you're trying to copy the caron accent is a composite.

If you right-click on the caron accent, you can select "Go to glyph member." There you can copy the caron accent, then go to z caron, pasting it over the z to get ž caron.

However, that is not the right way, as the result will be a simple glyph, rather than a composite glyph. The right way is to select both the Ž and ž glyphs in the overview, right-click, and select "complete composites" or use the complete composites icon on the toolbar. Finally, adjust the accents using guidelines, which you can position from S and s caron.
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Post by Hutschi » Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:44 pm

There is a relatively simple intuitive way to create composite glyphs:
This alternate way is similar to the way Bhikkhu described.

1. Open the font overview window with the glyphs.
2. Select the caron accent and ctrl-c (copy.)
3. Goto the empty glyph, you want to create and double-click on it.
The Glyph window opens.
4. Paste the caron.
A new composite glyph is created.
(You can paste it this way to all new letters.)
5. Close the glyphe window or move it aside.
6. On the overview window, goto the other letter you need and copy it.
7. Goto the letter with the caron, you crated before, and paste the glyph.
8. Adjust the glyph and the caron glyph.
9. Save the font.

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Post by Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Mar 17, 2005 6:59 pm

Even easier:
  1. Select the z and the caron in the overview
  2. Copy
  3. Open the z caron glyph edit window
  4. Paste to create a composite
However, there is still the matter of adding mappings, which is done automatically when using the insert characters feature. The above copy and paste method will work with any pair of glyphs, even if they are not defined as composites in CompositeData.xml

Thanks for pointing it out. I had heard that copying composites had been added to the feature list, but had not discovered how it worked before now.
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Copying composites to other font

Post by Hutschi » Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:34 am

1. A very good solution, I like it. What is the problem with mapping here?
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2. I found following:

Mark the z caron glyph in the overview of a normal font

Copy

Mark the z caron in the overview of an bold, italic or bold italic font

Right click and select Complete Composites to create a composite in the other font.

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