The kerning settings do not seems to work in microsoft word on Hebrew fonts does anyone has any solution.
Can you attach a sample font for us to look at? I presume that you have added kerning to the font yourself?
In adobe indesign, it is working but the space becomes in the right side of the font, and in Word, it does not seem to work. my font is a hebrew font right to left
if you look you can see its attachment to one another at the bottom
Here is one more example where you can see that it does not work even if i checked Kerning.
and it does not work
This is in Adobe Indesign I want the space between the second and third font and it goes between the first and the second This is when i chose metrics in ID Kerning options
I upload the font so you can test it
hebrew font.ttf (23.8 KB)
Backup your font.
From the format menu, open the Tables dialogue and delete the kerning table.
Reinstall the new font and try again.
It does not work. However, in LTR language, it works, and the kerning table for English is not ignored by Word.
What can it be? Please help me. I need the kerning table for Hebrew fonts so strong. I already wasted a lot of time on it. In fact, since I have the program in 2009. I have already seen that kerning is not supported on Hebrew. And I love MS Word processor more than adobe indesign. And in design, the kerning for Hebrew does not work right. Or I can choose Opticel Kerning, which is different as metric kerning.
So please update your program, to support more tables and show every source of information on this topic, if you can. how to make a work around.
Thanks a lot
I know there are a lot of users who need it.
Maybe I need to adjust some settings on the font. And here is my luck. I found that Microsoft had a program for to create Hebrew fonts, and they speaks from kerning support for Hebrew. However, it is no more available. It must be some way to work around it.
Unfortunately, I cannot understand your post, so I have no idea what doesn’t work, and what should be fixed, or by whom.
I appreciate that English is not your first language, but at least try to break your post into short logical paragraphs.
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It does not work. However, in LTR language, it works, and the kerning table for English is not ignored by Word.
What can it be? Please help me. I need the kerning table for Hebrew fonts so strong. I already wasted a lot of time on it. In fact, since I have the program in 2009. I have already seen that kerning is not supported on Hebrew. And I love MS Word processor more than adobe indesign. And in design, the kerning for Hebrew does not work right. Or I can choose Opticel Kerning, which is different as metric kerning.
So please update your program, to support more tables and show every source of information on this topic, if you can. how to make a work around.
Thanks a lot
I know there are a lot of users who need it.
Maybe I need to adjust some settings on the font. And here is my luck. I found that Microsoft had a program for to create Hebrew fonts, and they speaks from kerning support for Hebrew. However, it is no more available. It must be some way to work around it.
“I found that Microsoft had a program for to create Hebrew fonts, and they speaks from kerning support for Hebrew. However, it is no more available. It must be some way to work around it.”
Are you referring to Microsoft VOLT? It is supported albeit minimally. You will be able to create a Open Type
version of your font with kerning.
For every user Microsoft has a software called “Microsoft Volt”, and this has a Video explaining that program
I use it, and Years of struggle seems waste of time.
There’s even a kern2volt executable that they have available in the VOLT supplemental files. Visit http://www.microsoft.com/typography/VOLT.mspx to download the latest copy.
In my experience kerning in Microsoft Word doesn’t work correctly in each and every situation. In classical Greek it doesn’t, in modern Greek it does. It seems to me that Word only recognises a small portion of all possible Unicode characters as letters and treats the rest as symbols. A regular, modern Greek alpha for instance is considered to be a letter, which may be part of a word, but the classical Greek variants of alpha are not; typing a classical Greek alpha as, say, the fifth character of a word makes Word believe that the previous four characters constitute a complete word, because the next character is a symbol which by definition cannot be part of a word. You can imagine it was a very frustrating experience to find this out after I had added many many hundreds of kerning pairs manually to one of my fonts…
Joops,
I can understand your frustration! I have no experience with Greek yet similar problems have dogged me with Hebrew. There are four Hebrew characters in the Unicode Private Use Area which Word does not recognize as Hebrew and so treats them as left to right instead of right to left! These problems exist for True Type but I think they are fixed for Open Type.
I develop my fonts as True Type using Font Creator and then turn them into Open Type by passing them though VOLT. I believe that kerning done in VOLT does work properly for Hebrew (so I hear from others).
Most of my kerning is dealt with by a different approach. There is sometimes space between a bearing and the glyph and sometimes the glyphs overlap the bearings. For bearings on the left, I have divided all the characters into groups. All the characters in a group have the same space or overlap on the left. I define a completely different set of groups for right side bearings.I do this manually in Font Creator. I do not use Font Creator kerning.
This works well for Hebrew as there is no upper and lower case. While I was at it, I also applied it Latin. It mostly works well. Of course it doesn’t deal with “Aw” or “To” but most text looks good.
My feeling is that Microsoft ceased to work on the layout of True Type text once Open Type became available.
Mike
I don’t blame Microsoft Word for not recognising characters in the PUA as letters, as it has no way of knowing to what category PUA characters belong. But I think it should be quite simple for Microsoft to make Word recognise characters as letters when they are letters according to the Unicode database.
does any one know if the problem that Microsoft Word ignores Kerning for Hebrew fonts, had been resolved now after almost six years.
I am using the latest version of Font Creator proffesional edition, trying again to create a Hebrew font,
do I need to use Volt from Microsoft in order to add kerning, or it should work now somehow.
after I’ve tried several times, I still see that the Kerning doesn’t seems to work for my Hebrew Font in Microsoft Word 2010. I don’t know what to do, maybe I need to work with Volt. or to change some settings in font creator, .
so my question is if it should work now with the updated version. I will upload the font maybe tomorrow.
Microsoft Word 2007 and later do support the OpenType kerning feature for Hebrew. You can easily add such kerning with FontCreator. See the OpenType Designer topic in the user manual.
Microsoft Word 2007 does not support OpenType layout features for western languages, but uses the good old ‘KERN’ table instead.
Microsoft Word 2010 and later do support OpenType layout features for Latin script (e.g. western languages), Hebrew, Arabic, etc.
Since kerning in Word is not on by default, do make sure you have enabled it.